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LUCIFER'S FALL IN EDEN Someone asked when Satan fell, before the creation or after. I weighed-in by saying that he fell after creation in the garden of Eden. It was then suggested by someone else that we non-gappers be more clear about this position, using scripture. So, here is my position, the position that I have held for years and the position that I have explained. The problem is not that our position hasn't been explained; our position has been largely ignored because it doesn't tickle ones ears as does all the Twilight Zone, Pre-Adamite, Reptile, Dinosaur, UFO, flooded, demon-earth conjecture. I know. Anyway, for those who need clarification as to why Satan could have fallen in Eden, in Genesis 3, here it is in a nutshell: Lucifer’s fall occurred in Eden, which is why the wording of Isaiah 14:14 (“I will be like the most High”) is very similar to what Satan told Eve in Eden (“ye shall be as gods” – Gen. 3:5). That is, Lucifer did not sin separately from the fall of man; he sinned when he BROUGHT ABOUT the fall of man through his ambitious and deceptive scheme. We know this is true because Ezekiel speaks of his iniquity being found in the context of EDEN (Ezk. 28:13-15), not before Eden. It is in this sense that Satan was “a murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44), although he directly murdered no one. He murdered man spiritually in Genesis chapter 3 ("thou shalt surely die"; 2:17), and then he led Cain to murder his brother physically in chapter 4. Satan’s fall was in his deceitful dealings with man in EDEN, and not anything else. The first mention of Satan in Genesis is in chapter 3, not before, and the first mention of any kind of transgression is in chapter 3, not before. In fact, chapter 1 ends with the Holy Spirit assuring us that " . . . God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good" after the first six days. (vs. 31) Nothing bad happens until Eden in Genesis 3, which is exactly where Ezekiel 28:13-15 places Satan's fall: "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God . . . Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." I don't have all the answers, but I have that much. However, it will be mostly ignored, because it's not as entertaining as the Twilight Zone and the Outer Limits stuff found only in the perceived "gap" of Genesis 1:1-2.Thankfully, many of my brethren believe in the gap WITHOUT believing in all the crazy conjecture. They just simply believe that a gap might explain some things. Fair enough. Free country. Believe as you wish.